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AMD to take it easy with RV870?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: AMD to take it easy with RV870? Reply with quote

We reported a while back that AMD is hoping to get its first 40/45nm GPU out in the first quarter of 2009. Closely after that we should see RV870. The only real specifications that have been going around is the very loose rumor of 2000 shaders, and it doesn't look very likely. AMD is looking to master 45nm with its GPUs first of all and further improve its multi-GPU design, before doing anything radical. The RV870 will be faster than RV770, but don't expect the same jump we saw when moving from RV670 to RV770. We're waiting for confirmation on some numbers before we share more.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's do some wishful speculation.

The reduction of the manufacturing process of the rv770 from 55nm to 40nm would reduce the size by 27.28% for each side. Differently phrased the 55nm process produces 37.50 larger sides than the 40nm one.

So the 55nm, 260mm2 rv770 currently has a side size of 16.12mm

This will be reduced to 11.72mm for the 40nm process (11.72+37.5%=16.12).

So the die size of a suggested 40nm process would actually be 137.36mm2. If you add up 4 of these you would get a die size 549.44mm2! Well that's actually smaller than the GT200(576mm2)!

So imagine what would happen if they managed to put four cores, even just glued together, on the same MCM.

To make things even better, the rv870 could be more optimized, adding 160sps thus reaching a total of 960sps per module.

All in all we could find ourselves with a MCM chip, as large as the GT200, but with
4*16=64rops
4*960=3840sps
4*32=128tmus

They could call it the 5870X4 card.

Here you are AMD. A nice project for you, free of charge! Razz

PS You could always crossfire it!LOL!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ROFL

I'll forward that to the engineers at AMD to see what they have to say Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psolord wrote:

4*32=128tmus


I'd prefer 4*48 in that case Wink

I think putting 4 chips on one MCM would only work if they manage to implement that shared memory pool feature some were expecting for R700 already, otherwise they'll have trouble fitting all the memory chips on the board. With current way of implementation, they'd need 4GB(!) of memory to prevent any bottlenecks.

But seriously, a 149-169$ 5870 single-chip card with ~20% more performance than 4870 @ the power-consumption of a 3870 sounds more attractive to me than another "brute force, but power-hungry" card.

So 20% more SP and TMU + higher clockspeeds and otherwise purely optimised towards low price and low power consumption... That would be one hell of a bestseller, I'm sure of that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RV870 with 20% more specs at 45nm should come very cheap.

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