World Exclusive: Danamics LM10 - liquid metal put to the te

[Andreas G]

After some unexpected delays we now have now completed our review of the liquid metal cooler LM10 from Danish upstart company Danamics. The cooler has been getting a lot of media attention and we know that you are very eager to see the results (I'm guessing most of you have already clicked ahead and isn't even reading this text at this point). The cooler utilizes NaK, ordinarily used to cool fast neutron reactors, pumped around by a patent-pending multi-string pump. We're simply going to cut this text short and provide you with a link to the review, after the mandatory quote of course.

"Today we bring you the world exclusive review of the liquid metal cooler LM10 from Danish cooling company Danamics ApS. Danamics was founded in 2005 with the goal of using liquid metal for cooling. Since then Danamics has been researching and developing new technologies that would enable them to do just that. Amongst others, they had to find a suitable metal, but most of all come up with a whole new electromagnetic pump. "

 :: Danamics LM10 - Liquid metal put to the test

[Delph1]

Finally I can eat ...

//Andreas
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[Coolowski]

I've been waiting a long time for this review and I just registred for writing my response here. I apreciate People going in a new direction and trying new technologies, but for me the results of the LM10 are very disappointing.

[Salsoolo]

as i expected :/

edit: andreas thanks man. <33

[Mean Machine]

[Delph1]

I think most were expecting more, but the fact remains that the technology works and that the cooler performs well. Considering LM10 it is not the cooler that will break the market, but tuned and tweaked, a successor might give us what we really need.
Danamics knew it was going to be a close call, and they are already aiming to do even better with the next one

//Andreas
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[Salsoolo]

well you are right, they rival the best of other air coolers (the TRUE) as a start. i hope they will bring much more performance on their future coolers.
but i hope they cut the price down

[Mean Machine]

The price is there for a good reason; they've poured in money for research, and I doubt the pump itself is cheap to manufacture as it is right now.

Also, I'd like to thank all you for your great interest into the LM10, it's good to see people staying up till 5AM to see how this thing performs. Hope you liked the review.
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[djbb]

ok.... 5.43 AM now.... the review already been read, time to sleep.

thank you very much to our dear reviewer.
much appreciated.

[nokitus]

Great product if you take the 0 out of the 350€ price tag.

[schiffsratte]

Not too bad for a start -
Aircooling is as it's end and it's face to face with the best .
If they'd simply tweak the power a bit it'd pass air easily
The price surely reflects development etc but every new product is expensive in the beginning and get's cheaper after a while or with it's successor.

But your are not seriously regarding " the lack of real premium-feel " as a minus guys

So if they'd put some blue neon lights on top and a big blinking sticker for the case , that would be a plus or a quality means?
sorry but that's a bit childish...

[Mean Machine]

[schiffsratte]

Wasn't meant as an offense, and you're right about first impressions.
What I wanted to say is, that the conclusions drawn at the end at the review doesn't really reflect the test results.

"isn't as good as any other air cooler" is not what is said before - at last it should be " as good as the market leader in air cooling" or if you want to have it negative "not better than the best air cooler".
The other "cons" are about things which are not test results but own opinions.
They are not about performance.

My point is not to maybe defend the LM10 but questioning the way of judging of this review.
People are often to lazy to read 10 Pages and will only see the conclusions drawn.
And there you've got much more negative picture, than while reading the pages before.

[Delph1]

Actually, The exact phasing you mentioned is up for revision, I just haven't had the time. It is as good as the best of air coolers, but it doesn't beat them.

You're sadly right about the last part, I don't know how many times I've had to explain how the NaK is not harmful to them. Or the fact that this is the first, not the final product.

//Andreas
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[MK1]

I was expecting a lot more also , very disappointing . Taking the price into consideration , Yikes ! Its nice to see people going in different directions , and one day this technology may pan out ...

Now as for 150Watts being a goal ??? What , my Phenom 9850 @ 3.1ghz and mem controller @ 2400mhz is rated around 200W by sandra ...

Get with the times , 150Watts , maybe for dual cored cpu's , but quads ...

Better to start aiming at 250W ... Next time I try for a record ill see what sandra sais when I get my cpu to 3600+ MHZ and 1.5+Volts

Some hardware sites are so far behind whats going on in the real world when they do cooler tests , its not funny .. I can think of one where there standard test is 140Watt's ... That was maybe ok back in the dual core days , but this is a quad core world now !

[Delph1]

I don't really see an AMD Phenom directly consuming 200W at just 3.1GHz. That would be three times more than what Kentfield consumes and I can't really imagine AMD being that bad at designing CPUs.
You should see it as a HIGHLY theoretical TDP, which means that the actual power is far far less.

Optimized for 150W is not at all unreasonable since the TDP of Nehalem and Deneb are lower than today's processors. Besides, if it is optimized for 150W it will work best there, not saying it will not be able to handle more load

Things are actually getting cooler, not hotter. I'm sorry but there is just no way an air cooler would be able to handle something like 250W output very efficiently. People optimize multi-step cascades to handle loads like that, not air coolers.

However they did manage that they to make a cooler capable of that they would have a hit, no question about that.

//Andreas
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[LightCap]

Well.... Was´nt we all a bit disappointed.

Me even more, since I allready had an LM10+PowerBooster ordered. I am veru curious, could you at NHW give us any temps, from your quad-test with the LM10 ? I would really like to know, because I´m getting really bad temps with my LM10+PowerBooster on a Q6600@2,4. Idle temps are around 25 degrees (that´s delta-temp, core temp minus room-temp). I suspect that my LM10 is malfunctioning in some way..... As is, it perform WORSE than the Intel Box-cooler....


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[Delph1]

I will add some of the quad tests to the review soon, but those are with the prototype and not the retail.

//Andreas
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[Mean Machine]

But, from my brief comparison between the two, the diffence in performance wasn't that big, maybe 2-3 degrees centigrade max.
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[MK1]

Thats 125W @ Stock speed of 2500mhz and mem controller @ 2000mhz
and 1.3v

Now up the voltage to 1.35 and speed to 3.1 and Sandra sais 168w , now overclock the memory controller from 2000mhz to 2400mhz and its 188.59 as reported by sandra ... Now dep on what report from sandra you want to believe , one sais 200+ the other 188.59W ...

Now I had this cpu up to 3749mhz and run benchmarks up to 3670mhz ...
SO benchmarking at almost 1200mhz over stock ...

So at current settings Sandra sais 201.58W

Never underestimate an AMD Cpu ...
So if Sandra is right , and my cpu is 180 - 200W range , asking for coolers to handle 250W is not out of the question ...

[MK1]

[Delph1]

[MK1]

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

This link sais 196W ....

[Delph1]

[MK1]

You NIX me , but give no answers ... Where and how ? how ?